Comments on: The Collapse http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/ Our mission is to combat the unreason and selflessness that are sweeping our culture from the nihilist left to the religious right, and to sound a new ideal of capitalism and individual rights in American politics. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:17:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Fat Charlie the Archangel http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/#comment-31 Fat Charlie the Archangel Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:12:51 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/#comment-31 I'd make one suggestion - it's not "collapse of the conservatives" but "abdication by the conservatives". The old-school didn't collapse; it merely was abandoned. Can't blame Goldwater for Bush. I’d make one suggestion – it’s not “collapse of the conservatives” but “abdication by the conservatives”.

The old-school didn’t collapse; it merely was abandoned. Can’t blame Goldwater for Bush.

]]> By: Beth http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/#comment-29 Beth Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:12:45 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/#comment-29 On Naomi Klein: Unfortunately, she is having significant influence on the debate, so I decided to look into it further. I read half her book (the part on South America.) She makes the correct identification of the Pinocet's economic system as corporatism, but then goes on to equate that with laissez-faire capitalism and attempt to demolish them both in one blow. To more quickly get a sense of the arguments and issues if you are interested, here are a few briefer articles: From Klein: One Year After the Publication of The Shock Doctrine, A Response to the Attacks 9-2-08 Critique by Johan Norberg: The Klein Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Polemics 5-14-08 Three Days After Klein's Response, Antoher Attack 09-04-08 (tried to leave you the urls but kept getting my comment bounced as spam so I am trying without the links. Let me know how I can get them to you if you are interested.) Friedman has come under quite a bit of attack for his supposed support of Pinocet. It's helpful to be able to debunk those misconceptions. On Naomi Klein:

Unfortunately, she is having significant influence on the debate, so I decided to look into it further. I read half her book (the part on South America.) She makes the correct identification of the Pinocet’s economic system as corporatism, but then goes on to equate that with laissez-faire capitalism and attempt to demolish them both in one blow.

To more quickly get a sense of the arguments and issues if you are interested, here are a few briefer articles:
From Klein:
One Year After the Publication of The Shock Doctrine, A Response to the Attacks 9-2-08
Critique by Johan Norberg:
The Klein Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Polemics 5-14-08
Three Days After Klein’s Response, Antoher Attack 09-04-08
(tried to leave you the urls but kept getting my comment bounced as spam so I am trying without the links. Let me know how I can get them to you if you are interested.)

Friedman has come under quite a bit of attack for his supposed support of Pinocet. It’s helpful to be able to debunk those misconceptions.

]]> By: Brian N. http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/#comment-28 Brian N. Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:13:01 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2008/12/the-collapse/#comment-28 Johan Norberg has an <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9384" rel="nofollow">extensive treatment</a> covering some of the wrong in Klein's book. If this were a conversation, it would be in the, 'no, Naomi, Steely Dan isn't one guy,' territory. Johan Norberg has an extensive treatment covering some of the wrong in Klein’s book. If this were a conversation, it would be in the, ‘no, Naomi, Steely Dan isn’t one guy,’ territory.

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