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		<title>By: L-C</title>
		<link>http://www.newclarion.com/2009/01/dangerous-idea/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>L-C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that ideas matter is a little known secret. If it has any significance at all, these very same boys would&#039;ve displayed the same results from the brain scans as those of the control group, had they chosen reason instead of emotionalism.

I do not think highly of attempts to deny free will. Modern psychology and psychiatry are incessant in their, dare I say crusade to disqualify the mind as being volitional.

This research from the University of Chicago proves, not that bullies are born as such, but that ideas have a very concrete effect. Their minds are wired the wrong way and, consequently, so are their brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that ideas matter is a little known secret. If it has any significance at all, these very same boys would&#8217;ve displayed the same results from the brain scans as those of the control group, had they chosen reason instead of emotionalism.</p>
<p>I do not think highly of attempts to deny free will. Modern psychology and psychiatry are incessant in their, dare I say crusade to disqualify the mind as being volitional.</p>
<p>This research from the University of Chicago proves, not that bullies are born as such, but that ideas have a very concrete effect. Their minds are wired the wrong way and, consequently, so are their brains.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Bourque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Bourque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Mike.  I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head with the idea that the bully seeks to manipulate and dominate PEOPLE as opposed to THINGS.  There is something inherently parasitical and second-handed about the bully - the very opposite of the rational selfishness that would lead one to true self-esteem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mike.  I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head with the idea that the bully seeks to manipulate and dominate PEOPLE as opposed to THINGS.  There is something inherently parasitical and second-handed about the bully &#8211; the very opposite of the rational selfishness that would lead one to true self-esteem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike N</title>
		<link>http://www.newclarion.com/2009/01/dangerous-idea/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for the valuable input.  My main idea was that bullying is not the right way to achieve a genuine self-esteem.  I think I made my point. Perhaps I could have been clearer in pointing out that the bully&#039;s self-esteem is a phoney one; that he&#039;s happy only on the outside  or only momentarily; that it is a tenuous one dependent on the submission of others without which it vanishes.

I think Ayn Rand&#039;s writing is more than qualified to address issues of psychology in fundamental terms. I wasn&#039;t trying to refute any psychological theories on self-esteem, only a single idea: that bullying is the wrong way to get it and that the University of Chicago is using science in support of a dangerous idea: &quot;Want to feel good about yourself? Hurt others.&quot;

But let me say that the above commentators have helped me to think. That&#039;s always a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the valuable input.  My main idea was that bullying is not the right way to achieve a genuine self-esteem.  I think I made my point. Perhaps I could have been clearer in pointing out that the bully&#8217;s self-esteem is a phoney one; that he&#8217;s happy only on the outside  or only momentarily; that it is a tenuous one dependent on the submission of others without which it vanishes.</p>
<p>I think Ayn Rand&#8217;s writing is more than qualified to address issues of psychology in fundamental terms. I wasn&#8217;t trying to refute any psychological theories on self-esteem, only a single idea: that bullying is the wrong way to get it and that the University of Chicago is using science in support of a dangerous idea: &#8220;Want to feel good about yourself? Hurt others.&#8221;</p>
<p>But let me say that the above commentators have helped me to think. That&#8217;s always a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim May</title>
		<link>http://www.newclarion.com/2009/01/dangerous-idea/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Ayn Rand quote reminded me of Eliot Spitzer (and now Rod Blagojevich).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Ayn Rand quote reminded me of Eliot Spitzer (and now Rod Blagojevich).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wouldn&#039;t surprise me if bullies and criminals have a certain kind of high self-regard, in a sense of entitlement instead of achievement.  (&quot;The world owes me something, and if I don&#039;t get what I want, I&#039;ll take it.&quot;)

It is always possible to use words to conflate dissimilar concepts, which is one reason why it is important for people (and yes, especially philosophers) to evaluate terms such as &quot;self esteem&quot; and &quot;altruism&quot; when they are used in generalizations claimed by others.  The special sciences are no exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if bullies and criminals have a certain kind of high self-regard, in a sense of entitlement instead of achievement.  (&#8220;The world owes me something, and if I don&#8217;t get what I want, I&#8217;ll take it.&#8221;)</p>
<p>It is always possible to use words to conflate dissimilar concepts, which is one reason why it is important for people (and yes, especially philosophers) to evaluate terms such as &#8220;self esteem&#8221; and &#8220;altruism&#8221; when they are used in generalizations claimed by others.  The special sciences are no exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgess Laughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.newclarion.com/2009/01/dangerous-idea/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Burgess Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between &quot;self-esteem&quot; and &quot;self-confidence&quot;? I  use these terms to mean that the latter is a consequence of the former. 

&lt;b&gt;Self-esteem&lt;/b&gt; means valuing oneself. After valuing myself &lt;i&gt;in action&lt;/i&gt;, I gain &lt;b&gt;self-confidence&lt;/b&gt;--knowing I can sustain my life-- from the observable results.

Mike, I applaud you for citing Ayn Rand, a philosopher. Philosophy, when objective, is the foundation for all of the specialized sciences. Self-esteem is a philosophical value, that is, a value that applies to all individuals, everywhere, and at all times. Philosophy, properly defined, precedes the specialized sciences.

The province of psychology is not universal issues, but the individual workings--healthy or pathological--of the mind, especially the subconscious aspects of mind that require specialized methods to understand.

For the philosopher&#039;s role in setting the philosophical vocabulary for others, see Ayn Rand, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0452010306/thenewcla-20/ref=nosim/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, p. 74.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between &#8220;self-esteem&#8221; and &#8220;self-confidence&#8221;? I  use these terms to mean that the latter is a consequence of the former. </p>
<p><b>Self-esteem</b> means valuing oneself. After valuing myself <i>in action</i>, I gain <b>self-confidence</b>&#8211;knowing I can sustain my life&#8211; from the observable results.</p>
<p>Mike, I applaud you for citing Ayn Rand, a philosopher. Philosophy, when objective, is the foundation for all of the specialized sciences. Self-esteem is a philosophical value, that is, a value that applies to all individuals, everywhere, and at all times. Philosophy, properly defined, precedes the specialized sciences.</p>
<p>The province of psychology is not universal issues, but the individual workings&#8211;healthy or pathological&#8211;of the mind, especially the subconscious aspects of mind that require specialized methods to understand.</p>
<p>For the philosopher&#8217;s role in setting the philosophical vocabulary for others, see Ayn Rand, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0452010306/thenewcla-20/ref=nosim/" rel="nofollow"><cite>Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology</cite></a>, p. 74.</p>
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		<title>By: EdMcGon</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdMcGon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rory, did I suggest using Freud or Jung? No, you use can use science to argue against other science. There are plenty of people doing psychological research today, without having to dig up psychological theories from 100 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory, did I suggest using Freud or Jung? No, you use can use science to argue against other science. There are plenty of people doing psychological research today, without having to dig up psychological theories from 100 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EdMcGon,

And using a &#039;psychologist&#039; like Freud or Jung is no better than using a Witch Doctor to prove the existence of the &#039;Id&#039;. I&#039;m not suggesting you buy into their theories, but that being labeled a psychologist doesn&#039;t automatically qualify (nor does the inverse disqualify one) from talking about psychology.

Mike, 

I&#039;m glad to hear moral relativism is making a come back!
&quot;It&#039;s perfectly fine what they&#039;re doing. It feels good to them. Who are we to judge?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EdMcGon,</p>
<p>And using a &#8216;psychologist&#8217; like Freud or Jung is no better than using a Witch Doctor to prove the existence of the &#8216;Id&#8217;. I&#8217;m not suggesting you buy into their theories, but that being labeled a psychologist doesn&#8217;t automatically qualify (nor does the inverse disqualify one) from talking about psychology.</p>
<p>Mike, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear moral relativism is making a come back!<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s perfectly fine what they&#8217;re doing. It feels good to them. Who are we to judge?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EdMcGon</title>
		<link>http://www.newclarion.com/2009/01/dangerous-idea/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>EdMcGon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, you&#039;re confusing psychology with philosophy. Mind you, I agree with you that the psychologists are confusing temporary self-esteem with overall self-esteem. 

Using a philosopher such as Ayn Rand to disprove a scientific theory is no better than using the Bible to disprove Evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you&#8217;re confusing psychology with philosophy. Mind you, I agree with you that the psychologists are confusing temporary self-esteem with overall self-esteem. </p>
<p>Using a philosopher such as Ayn Rand to disprove a scientific theory is no better than using the Bible to disprove Evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.newclarion.com/2009/01/dangerous-idea/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m flabbergasted. I&#039;ve heard self-esteem misconstrued plenty, but I&#039;ve never heard it said of schoolyard bullies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m flabbergasted. I&#8217;ve heard self-esteem misconstrued plenty, but I&#8217;ve never heard it said of schoolyard bullies.</p>
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