Comments on: The Beginning of the End http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/ Our mission is to combat the unreason and selflessness that are sweeping our culture from the nihilist left to the religious right, and to sound a new ideal of capitalism and individual rights in American politics. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:01:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jim May http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-985 Jim May Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:05:35 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-985 <i>I like to throw out; When Obama’s stimulus fails will he blame the ‘capitalists’ for being greedy and not co-operating in saving the economy?</i> He might make Rick Santelli the symbol for that one. I like to throw out; When Obama’s stimulus fails will he blame the ‘capitalists’ for being greedy and not co-operating in saving the economy?

He might make Rick Santelli the symbol for that one.

]]> By: seine http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-981 seine Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:13:17 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-981 I like to throw out; When Obama's stimulus fails will he blame the 'capitalists' for being greedy and not co-operating in saving the economy? What I wonder about is whether Pres Obama sees himself as the 'Messiah' between the little ACON-type people, and the 'evil' capitalist exploiter. His public support comes from the economically naive and the economic parasites. And as brought up the adoring press is on side. I like to throw out; When Obama’s stimulus fails will he blame the ‘capitalists’ for being greedy and not co-operating in saving the economy? What I wonder about is whether Pres Obama sees himself as the ‘Messiah’ between the little ACON-type people, and the ‘evil’ capitalist exploiter. His public support comes from the economically naive and the economic parasites. And as brought up the adoring press is on side.

]]> By: Joseph Kellard http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-980 Joseph Kellard Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:43:45 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-980 I agree with Myrhaf. I did have Obama’s left-wing adoring press in the back of my mind when I asked my questions above. If anyone or anything will save Obama from his failed policies, it will be the media sycophants who are bound to always be by the Messiah’s side. And if Obama can someway, somehow silence his critics, e.g., Limbaugh, Hannity -- whether by unleashing the rabble-rousing race merchants, such as Sharpton, on any misstep (e.g. Don Imus), or directly by government censorship – all the better to save face and his presidency. I agree with Myrhaf. I did have Obama’s left-wing adoring press in the back of my mind when I asked my questions above. If anyone or anything will save Obama from his failed policies, it will be the media sycophants who are bound to always be by the Messiah’s side. And if Obama can someway, somehow silence his critics, e.g., Limbaugh, Hannity — whether by unleashing the rabble-rousing race merchants, such as Sharpton, on any misstep (e.g. Don Imus), or directly by government censorship – all the better to save face and his presidency.

]]> By: Myrhaf http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-977 Myrhaf Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:17:59 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-977 People like Paul Krugman are already preparing the defense. If the economy fails, it will be because Obama did not spend enough to stimulate the economy. He was too cautious because of the evil influence of Reagonomics in America and did not go all the way for the massive spending needed to solve our unprecedented crisis. Also, Obama is depending on deception and propaganda, not reason. He hopes that a postmodern press corps that worships him will craft the "narrative" that helps him stay in power. It has happened before. Look at the myth of FDR, that he "saved capitalism from its excesses" with the New Deal. It's all nonsense -- FDR <i>created</i> the Great Depression -- and yet the liberal version is conventional wisdom to this day. People like Paul Krugman are already preparing the defense. If the economy fails, it will be because Obama did not spend enough to stimulate the economy. He was too cautious because of the evil influence of Reagonomics in America and did not go all the way for the massive spending needed to solve our unprecedented crisis.

Also, Obama is depending on deception and propaganda, not reason. He hopes that a postmodern press corps that worships him will craft the “narrative” that helps him stay in power. It has happened before. Look at the myth of FDR, that he “saved capitalism from its excesses” with the New Deal. It’s all nonsense — FDR created the Great Depression — and yet the liberal version is conventional wisdom to this day.

]]> By: Michael Labeit http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-975 Michael Labeit Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:20:25 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-975 Obama doesn't need positive results from his economic policy. He has got empiricism on his side. Skeptical-empiricism of the type popular over the last several decades holds that we cannot gain certain knowledge of "meaningful" causal events. Thus, the economic empiricist can say that the New Deal or any other interventionist policy may have ruined commerce in the past but we can't say for sure that similar interventionist policies will do the same today. Indeed, the economic empiricist claims we cannot identify with 100% certitude any meaningful first causes. Thus, the economic empiricist may deny the intrinsic obstructiveness of socialism because, after all, experience tell us only what things are, not why they are the way they are. Any additional experience may disprove our previous experimental hypothesis. When the stimulus crapage fails, all Obama needs to do is blame the failure on Bush and the Republican congressional impediments to the various stimulus and bailout bills. "We did't act fast enough" will be his faith-assertion if he will ever be asked to account for his errors. On the flip side, when the economic recovers, Obama can easily claim that it was the stimulus bills that did the trick. Economic empiricism is intellectual insurance. Obama doesn’t need positive results from his economic policy. He has got empiricism on his side. Skeptical-empiricism of the type popular over the last several decades holds that we cannot gain certain knowledge of “meaningful” causal events. Thus, the economic empiricist can say that the New Deal or any other interventionist policy may have ruined commerce in the past but we can’t say for sure that similar interventionist policies will do the same today. Indeed, the economic empiricist claims we cannot identify with 100% certitude any meaningful first causes. Thus, the economic empiricist may deny the intrinsic obstructiveness of socialism because, after all, experience tell us only what things are, not why they are the way they are. Any additional experience may disprove our previous experimental hypothesis.

When the stimulus crapage fails, all Obama needs to do is blame the failure on Bush and the Republican congressional impediments to the various stimulus and bailout bills. “We did’t act fast enough” will be his faith-assertion if he will ever be asked to account for his errors.

On the flip side, when the economic recovers, Obama can easily claim that it was the stimulus bills that did the trick. Economic empiricism is intellectual insurance.

]]> By: Joseph Kellard http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-972 Joseph Kellard Sun, 22 Feb 2009 03:51:05 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-972 But what about the one thing politicians do care about: being re-elected? Does Obama really want the economy to tank so that the Republicans can gain control in Congress in two years, and threaten his job in 2012? If Obama truly knows that his policies will fail, won’t that mean he'll be sent back to Illinois after his first term? But what about the one thing politicians do care about: being re-elected? Does Obama really want the economy to tank so that the Republicans can gain control in Congress in two years, and threaten his job in 2012? If Obama truly knows that his policies will fail, won’t that mean he’ll be sent back to Illinois after his first term?

]]> By: L-C http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-968 L-C Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:27:15 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-968 Myrhaf: "Did he [Obama] mean anything he said during the campaign?" He meant what he didn't say, that's for sure. Chuck: "It didn’t work, it never can work - but politicians never learn." Politicians make a profession out of never having to learn from mistakes. But the results of a regulated versus a free economy are too obvious to ignore. If politicians truly wanted a benign development of society, they would be willing to try freedom at least once. There's not much more to the matter than keeping their hands off. No, what they want is to live in and with their failing policies. If they and their agenda had the slightest to gain from a prosperous market, they wouldn't be dumb enough to not let it happen. Myrhaf: “Did he [Obama] mean anything he said during the campaign?”

He meant what he didn’t say, that’s for sure.

Chuck: “It didn’t work, it never can work – but politicians never learn.”

Politicians make a profession out of never having to learn from mistakes. But the results of a regulated versus a free economy are too obvious to ignore. If politicians truly wanted a benign development of society, they would be willing to try freedom at least once. There’s not much more to the matter than keeping their hands off.

No, what they want is to live in and with their failing policies. If they and their agenda had the slightest to gain from a prosperous market, they wouldn’t be dumb enough to not let it happen.

]]> By: Burgess Laughlin http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-967 Burgess Laughlin Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:45:44 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-967 I am not a constitutional lawyer, so I don't know the details. I wonder if the Republicans will challenge this provision discouraging audits. Perhaps the principled grounds might be attempting to deny the independence of the executive branch and thus eliminating balance (as in "checks and balances"). An opinion from an attorney would helpful here. Also, perhaps a historian familiar with the Roosevelt administration can see parallels that succeeded for failed. I am not a constitutional lawyer, so I don’t know the details. I wonder if the Republicans will challenge this provision discouraging audits. Perhaps the principled grounds might be attempting to deny the independence of the executive branch and thus eliminating balance (as in “checks and balances”).

An opinion from an attorney would helpful here.

Also, perhaps a historian familiar with the Roosevelt administration can see parallels that succeeded for failed.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-965 Chuck Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:26:41 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/02/the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-965 It brings to mind the wage and price freeze of the Nixon Administration. Of course, this wage freeze is just for the "fat cats." It didn't work, it never can work - but politicians never learn. It wouldn't surprise me, if we start to get significant inflation, if the Obama Administration tries the other side of the coin - price freeze - as well. Which reminds me of the scene from Key Largo, where the gangster "Rocco" was quaking in fear of an approaching hurricane, and the hotel owner said: "Why don't you point your gun at it, and make it go away?" Or words to that effect. Socialists think if they decree a product is worth a certain amount, then it is so in reality. Reality must conform to their wishes. It brings to mind the wage and price freeze of the Nixon Administration. Of course, this wage freeze is just for the “fat cats.” It didn’t work, it never can work – but politicians never learn. It wouldn’t surprise me, if we start to get significant inflation, if the Obama Administration tries the other side of the coin – price freeze – as well. Which reminds me of the scene from Key Largo, where the gangster “Rocco” was quaking in fear of an approaching hurricane, and the hotel owner said: “Why don’t you point your gun at it, and make it go away?” Or words to that effect. Socialists think if they decree a product is worth a certain amount, then it is so in reality. Reality must conform to their wishes.

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