Comments on: The Human Face of Socialized Medicine http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/ Our mission is to combat the unreason and selflessness that are sweeping our culture from the nihilist left to the religious right, and to sound a new ideal of capitalism and individual rights in American politics. Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:07:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bill Brown http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-7641 Bill Brown Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:41:52 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-7641 Your rant is ridiculous on its face, but lecturing us on being disrespectful? That's rich. Your rant is ridiculous on its face, but lecturing us on being disrespectful? That’s rich.

]]> By: Suzanne Young http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-7640 Suzanne Young Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:49:26 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-7640 This is unfortunate , but may I say there are isolated incidents of this sort of thing everywhere! Especially in this country!...SURPRISE! I lived in Canada for 4 years and the health care was wonderful, not to mention vision and dental coverage as well. Not only did this relieve the stress of forking out a fortune towards "health care for profit", as in this messed up country, about took a load off the overall cost of living for my husband and myself. I found there expertise equally as up to par as the US in all aspects! A friend of mine just had a kidney transplant in Ontario this week....it was paid for completely, with the exception of co-pays on his meds....oh can you imagine this country would bankrupt him! My dear friend who's son resides in Vancouver B.C. underwent a knee operation was a huge success...he waited a month, big deal. It was paid for! My Mother in Montana waited 5 weeks for her MRI to diagnose her very very arthritic spine! Oh ya U.S. health care is great! What about the recent publicized case of the young 22 year old with dialated cardiomyopathy who's sister had to fight the insurance companies for weeks to get him approved and on the transplant list.....the insurance companies refused and he , a beautiful young man is now dead!!!! His sister is now an activist lobbying against this huge ugly institution of medicine for profit here in you illustrious US!!!! You and your ridiculously uninformed idiots and big fat TEA PARTIERS! can stuff it where the sun doesn't shine! Right wing, ignorant, paranoid of what you call socialism, ( do you even know what that is??)...Please don't call canadians socialists, they really don't appreciate it and it's disrespectful! You don't see them in dept like we are with our private sector housing rip off bubble....oh ya, all the liar loans were the liberals fault.....you know, those socialists!!!! Personally I think we need more big government done right....we need a well executed PUBLIC HEALTH CARE option desperately!!!!! We need to take the paper work and the middle man out of health care, and of all things health care should not be FOR PROFIT!!! There's lots of other things that can and should remain in the good parts of competiton and capitolism, but NOT HEALTH CARE!! And because of your paranoia of socialism (how ignorant) you all will proceed to vote in yet another republican fundamentalist christian president who will make damn well sure we stay ON THE RIGHTEOUS PATH OF OUR FOREFATHERS!!!!!! (what a joke...like they were all sooo righteous...that's another tale) Oh and please don't forget that when medicare and social security came to be it was called SOCIALISM TOO!!! You IDIOTS!!!! This is unfortunate , but may I say there are isolated incidents of this sort of thing everywhere! Especially in this country!…SURPRISE! I lived in Canada for 4 years and the health care was wonderful, not to mention vision and dental coverage as well. Not only did this relieve the stress of forking out a fortune towards “health care for profit”, as in this messed up country, about took a load off the overall cost of living for my husband and myself. I found there expertise equally as up to par as the US in all aspects! A friend of mine just had a kidney transplant in Ontario this week….it was paid for completely, with the exception of co-pays on his meds….oh can you imagine this country would bankrupt him! My dear friend who’s son resides in Vancouver B.C. underwent a knee operation was a huge success…he waited a month, big deal. It was paid for! My Mother in Montana waited 5 weeks for her MRI to diagnose her very very arthritic spine! Oh ya U.S. health care is great! What about the recent publicized case of the young 22 year old with dialated cardiomyopathy who’s sister had to fight the insurance companies for weeks to get him approved and on the transplant list…..the insurance companies refused and he , a beautiful young man is now dead!!!! His sister is now an activist lobbying against this huge ugly institution of medicine for profit here in you illustrious US!!!! You and your ridiculously uninformed idiots and big fat TEA PARTIERS! can stuff it where the sun doesn’t shine! Right wing, ignorant, paranoid of what you call socialism, ( do you even know what that is??)…Please don’t call canadians socialists, they really don’t appreciate it and it’s disrespectful! You don’t see them in dept like we are with our private sector housing rip off bubble….oh ya, all the liar loans were the liberals fault…..you know, those socialists!!!! Personally I think we need more big government done right….we need a well executed PUBLIC HEALTH CARE option desperately!!!!! We need to take the paper work and the middle man out of health care, and of all things health care should not be FOR PROFIT!!! There’s lots of other things that can and should remain in the good parts of competiton and capitolism, but NOT HEALTH CARE!! And because of your paranoia of socialism (how ignorant) you all will proceed to vote in yet another republican fundamentalist christian president who will make damn well sure we stay ON THE RIGHTEOUS PATH OF OUR FOREFATHERS!!!!!! (what a joke…like they were all sooo righteous…that’s another tale) Oh and please don’t forget that when medicare and social security came to be it was called SOCIALISM TOO!!! You IDIOTS!!!!

]]> By: I totally have a new sig... you should check it out and be jealous of... - Page 23 - Christian Forums http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-6036 I totally have a new sig... you should check it out and be jealous of... - Page 23 - Christian Forums Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:45:34 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-6036 [...] hospital presenting that kind of pain...an MRI is standard. Or 6-8 months to schedule treatment for lung cancer. Part of our cost in this country is that such equipment is more available. And if not, you are [...] [...] hospital presenting that kind of pain…an MRI is standard. Or 6-8 months to schedule treatment for lung cancer. Part of our cost in this country is that such equipment is more available. And if not, you are [...]

]]> By: The Truth About Government-run Health Care :: Michael Island http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-4960 The Truth About Government-run Health Care :: Michael Island Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:47:07 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-4960 [...] The Human Face of Socialized Medicine A blog post from Galileo Blogs illustrating how socialized medicine kills people who are sick because they have to wait in lines before they are treated. He provides a letter from a reader who tells how his father-in-law died from lung cancer while waiting for months to be treated in Canada’s socialized health care system. [...] [...] The Human Face of Socialized Medicine A blog post from Galileo Blogs illustrating how socialized medicine kills people who are sick because they have to wait in lines before they are treated. He provides a letter from a reader who tells how his father-in-law died from lung cancer while waiting for months to be treated in Canada’s socialized health care system. [...]

]]> By: Myrhaf http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-4021 Myrhaf Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:36:31 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-4021 Moreover, we'll never know how much longer we would all live if we had a completely free market generating more wealth, and more incentive for researcher to find cures to diseases and become billionaires selling their cures. I think it's safe to say we're all living shorter, less healthy lives than we would under <i>laissez-faire</i> capitalism. Moreover, we’ll never know how much longer we would all live if we had a completely free market generating more wealth, and more incentive for researcher to find cures to diseases and become billionaires selling their cures. I think it’s safe to say we’re all living shorter, less healthy lives than we would under laissez-faire capitalism.

]]> By: Galileo Blogs http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-4013 Galileo Blogs Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:14:18 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-4013 The tragedy is that it cannot easily be counted. That is all the more reason to highlight anecdotes such as this one. It puts the "human face" on this most inhuman of institutions. Of course, it is not a numbers game. If the rights of even one doctor or patient are violated, let alone if that patient dies, socialized medicine is immoral. But, if we want to play the numbers game, one can logically surmise that the death toll from socialized medicine, over time, will number millions of people whose lives will have been foreshortened due to the lack of timely and innovative treatment that capitalist medicine would have provided. The tragedy is that it cannot easily be counted. That is all the more reason to highlight anecdotes such as this one. It puts the “human face” on this most inhuman of institutions.

Of course, it is not a numbers game. If the rights of even one doctor or patient are violated, let alone if that patient dies, socialized medicine is immoral.

But, if we want to play the numbers game, one can logically surmise that the death toll from socialized medicine, over time, will number millions of people whose lives will have been foreshortened due to the lack of timely and innovative treatment that capitalist medicine would have provided.

]]> By: Jim May http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/the-human-face-of-socialized-medicine/#comment-4009 Jim May Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:42:37 +0000 http://www.newclarion.com/?p=1142#comment-4009 A key point to remember is that those who die waiting for treatment have their ailment recorded as cause of death, not the socialized system. So there is no real way that I know of, to measure or count "death by government medicine". A key point to remember is that those who die waiting for treatment have their ailment recorded as cause of death, not the socialized system. So there is no real way that I know of, to measure or count “death by government medicine”.

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